Sunday, July 15, 2007

So What's Your Story?

The Scriptures present a story-- the story of God’s dealings with the human race. They tell us why God is dealing with mankind, what specifically He is doing, how He is doing it, where the story presently stands, and how it all will end. The scriptures, however, do not always present this full story in the most easily recognizable form. These core questions are not usually answered all in one place or in so many words. Rather, as we read the scriptures, we develop summaries, particular versions of the story, if you will.

As ought to be painfully obvious, not everybody who reads the scriptures comes up with the same summary of the scriptural story. Different interpreters and schools of interpreters come up with different versions, different answers to these core questions. Some of these versions, though they vary in certain respects, are still more or less compatible with one another. Many, however, are more in conflict; some are simply irreconcilable.

Differences in versions of this overall story are frequently the reason why Christians find themselves unable to agree on smaller particulars. This, of course, is because, having formed such summaries, we then use them as interpretive frameworks which we inevitably bring to bear upon every particular passage we read. Every issue is viewed through the lens of our version of the story. Many theological disagreements, then, are truly irresolvable unless the underlying conflict between the different versions is addressed.

This, certainly, is even more difficult than it sounds. There are some kinds of disagreements that can be resolved with reference to a single passage. “Christ had fourteen apostles.” “No, I believe he had twelve.” Let’s look it up…Ah you’re right. It was twelve.” Conflicts between different versions of the scriptural story, however, take immense amounts of time to resolve, because resolution requires treatment, not of one or two passages, but of the entire scriptures taken as a whole. Few people have the patience for this breadth or depth of discussion.

So what do we do? Do we dispense (pardon the pun) with forming versions of the story? This, of course, is entirely impossible. Versions of the scriptural story are like worldviews: it’s not a matter of “if” you have one; it can only be a matter of “which” one you have. Our task, then, is to strive for the right version of the story. Sure. That’s easy. Which one is the right one? The overly simple answer is that the right version, the right summary of the story of God’s dealing with mankind, can be none other than the version presented by the scriptures themselves. It cannot be one that is imposed upon the scriptures from the outside. Our task, then, is to work, to labor, to toil, to let the scriptures speak for themselves, to derive from them and from them alone, the story they tell as a whole.

Now to the point: Covenant theology is one version of the story of God’s dealing with mankind. It is similar to some versions; it is very different than others. Again, the differences between the covenantal view and non-covenantal views are the cause, I’m sure, of many hundreds of more particular theological disagreements. Covenant theology is not an idea that can be proven with reference to a single, certainly not even to a dozen passages. It is, like every other version of the scriptural story, a summary that men claim to have derived from the totality of scripture. It is therefore an idea that takes a whole, whole, whole lot of time to work through, and even more time to impress itself upon those who as of yet do not accept it. However,--and you knew I was coming to this-- covenant theology, I firmly believe, is the version of the story of God’s dealing with mankind that best comports with the totality of scripture, the version that is presented by the scriptures themselves.

What, then, according to covenant theology, is the story told by the scriptures, the story of God’s dealing with mankind? Why, according to this version, does God deal with mankind? what is he doing? how does he do it? where are we now? and how does it all end? There are, indeed, even different versions of the covenantal version, the distinctions between which would take a lifetime to investigate; but here’s a very humble summary of my very humble take on the matter:

Covenant theology teaches that God, in His dealings with mankind, is ultimately seeking to glorify Himself in His Son. To that end he has undertaken to redeem fallen mankind in Christ. God unfolds this redemptive work primarily through series of covenants whereby he takes certain men to be His people and takes His rightful place as their God, promising Himself and His blessings to them and requiring faith and obedience from them. In former days, God made these covenants by the shedding of animal blood and with certain families and nations, particularly with Israel. But He has now, in these last days, made a final covenant through the blood of Christ, a covenant into which men from every nation may be joined, and a covenant under which Jew and Gentile become fellow heirs of the of promises and fellow citizens of the commonwealth of Israel. Through this final, eternal and perfect covenant, God will ultimately redeem all nations. At the final consummation of history, all will be His people, and to all He will be God.

Now, of course, many who consider themselves to be non-covenantal may agree with most, if not all, of what I’ve said in this summary. The devil, as they say, will certainly be in the details, and it is into those details that I propose to go… in due time.

In the meantime, my most beloved non-covenantal brethren, consider this question: what’s your version of the story?

17 comments:

Looking Upward said...

Bravo!

I shall consider this question carefully.
Can't wait to hear more from you.

danny2 said...

i won't get into details now...for i don't want to hijack your blog, but here are a few of my thoughts:

we should strive to eliminate our systems ability to shadow the text. i understand it is impossible to remove all lens, but we should certainly dillute its strength as much as possible.

that said, covenant theology involves covenants that God never articulated, and frankly...as far as i understand, the covenant of works did not involve the shedding of blood of an animal (or atleast seems impossible since sin had not occured yet).

this system then requires a reading of certain texts that just seems to largely cloud what we would normally understand the text to mean...ie baptism, millinnial kingdom, ect. (not meaning to rabbit trail...we can hit these later, just giving examples)

i don't know that i am totally a dispensationalist, in fact, many of them wouldn't be willing to claim me. but i ran accoss this definition of dispensationalism in david plaster's "finding our focus." it comes from a footnote:

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Dispensationalism - a system of theology recognizing differing stewardships of man under God. This system of interpretation was popularized by C. I. Scofield with later refinements. Dispensationalism is distinguished by: 1) consistent literal interpretation; 2) a clear distinction between Israel and the church; 3) the glory of God as God's ultimate purpose in the world. Adapted from Enns, op. cit., p. 634
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i can get behind that definition.

(by the way, i'm going to try to sneak chipotle into skyline on thursday. i have to leave by 1:45, so hopefully a lot of good conversation can happen before then...could even be there by 11 if others could)

Brad said...

No, please, hijack away. That's what this space is here for. Thanks for jumpin' in.

We should strive to eliminate our systems ability to shadow the text.

While I agree that it is very dangerous to impose man-made systems of interpretation upon particular passages, I would say that failing to interpret passages in light of the framework scripture itself presents (whatever that may be) is equally dangerous. To do so would be to violate one of the most important principles of hermeneutics: interpret scripture with scripture.

covenant theology involves covenants that God never articulated

Yes, I have to admit that in most of its manifestations it does. Two responses: 1)obviously we believe many doctrines that scripture never articulates in so many words i.e. trinity, two natures of Christ, etc. The idea is that if all the elements of a covenant are there, then there's a covenant. 2)Even so, I'll confess I'm not sure I always find all covenant theologians convincing on their explanations of these "theological covenants" (You can take the boy out of the anabaptists, but you can't take the anabaptist out of the boy). Nevertheless, I find that the basic covenantal version of the scriptural story still holds together quite impressively with reference merely to the 6 or so "biblical covenants" that are clearly articulated.

as far as i understand, the covenant of works did not involve the shedding of blood of an animal (or atleast seems impossible since sin had not occured yet).

I don't know of any covenant theologians (there may be some) who say that shedding of blood is an essential part of every covenant. I certainly didn't mean to imply so in my summary.

This system then requires a reading of certain texts that just seems to largely cloud what we would normally understand the text to mean.

If by "we" you mean modern post-dispensational Americans with little to no understanding of Jewish-Christian literature from the Graeco-Roman period (in which group I would include myself), then yes, a biblically derived construct very well may take us away from what would otherwise be our normal understanding. I certainly hope it would.

Dispensationalism - a system of theology recognizing differing stewardships of man under God.

Earlier you mentioned as a problem that covenant theology involves some covenants that God never articulated. I'd be intersted to see where He ever articulated a single "stewardship" as dispensationalists would define the concept. Isn't that a little bit more of a problem?

Dispensationalism is distinguished by: 1) consistent literal interpretation;

I will give the author the benefit of the doubt that he did not mean "consistent" literal interpretation. Not even the most radical dispensationalist literally believes that Christ was a door (John 10:7) or that the beast in revelation will have seven heads (Rev.13).

Both dispensationalists and covenantalists agree in principle that you interpret literal passages literally and figurative passages figuratively. Both would probably agree--again, in principle-- that you determine which are which by comparison with other scriptural passages. It is in the application where the differences arise, and the differences on each passage would have to be treated individually.

I have made the claim many times, and I would again be willing to walk through several examples where covenantalists often, very often, take passages much more literally than do dispensationalists.

2) a clear distinction between Israel and the church;

Destroying the distinction between Israel and the church was one of the primary purposes for which Christ shed his blood on the cross (Eph. 2:11-22).

3) the glory of God as God's ultimate purpose in the world.

Amen.



I'll meet you at Chipotle at 11:00 (Unless you would just like to chill over at my place for a while before we go to lunch).

Anonymous said...

As Danny said, it is hard to try to handle this one in a blog comment, but here’s a few thoughts:

“My” version of the story goes like this:

“There was a certain landowner who planted a vineyard and set a hedge around it, dug a winepress in it and built a tower. And he leased it to vinedressers and went into a far country. Now when vintage-time drew near, he sent his servants to the vinedressers, that they might receive its fruit. And the vinedressers took his servants, beat one, killed one, and stoned another. Again he sent other servants, more than the first, and they did likewise to them. Then last of all he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’ So they took him and cast him out of the vineyard and killed him.

“Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?”

“He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.”

“Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it.

---The distinction principle in the dispensational system is weakened by this parable in Matt 21:33-44 (it’s all one vineyard and one vine) and precisely at the point Brad mentioned. It can be pinpointed by the word (in the NKJV) “strangers” in Eph 2:12 & 19. We are no longer that which we once were – aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise.

The question is, “to what degree are we partakers of the covenants and promises?” – the answer could land you a posh seat next to Paul and Jan.

---The covenant system is weakened by Paul’s parenthetical treatment of Israel in Romans 9-11. Paul maintains a clear distinction between the believers of the current age and a future remnant of Israelites with a consistent “you/them” usage in the text.

Also, while believers in the current age are participants in the New Covenant (1 Cor 11:25, 2 Cor 3:6), it is clear by a literal reading of Jeremiah 31:31-34 that we are not partaking of it in the same way as (as the text says) the house of Israel and the house of Judah.

I get this by three important distinctions
1. “house of Judah and house of Israel” are specifically called out.
2. “No more will any man teach his neighbor and every man his neighbor”. Is the case today or is this reserved for some future state or, uh, oikonomia?
3. “They (Israel and Judah) shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest of them.” This jives with Paul’s “all Israel will be saved” but cannot be applied in a universal sense today, unless you utilize replacement principles.

Your desire for Chipotle is an oasis in the desert. David and Matt dislike it and I was beginning to wonder, “When the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the Earth?” I am often reviled and persecuted when I order the vegetarian black bean burrito deluxe at Skyline.

Anonymous said...

Just so everyone knows I didn't pick Skyline (though I am the only card carrying "Ambassador Club" member of the group). I really could care less where we eat. By my count there are going to be 6 or 7 of us, so any place is going to be an issue of seating. Should we considering another place like Max & Erma's or something else on the strip???

I may be able to get there by 11 so let me know where you guys are going to be...

Brad said...

Mr Fisher,

The distinction principle in the dispensational system is weakened by this parable...We are no longer that which we once were – aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise.

Yup. Amen and amen.

The question is, “to what degree are we partakers of the covenants and promises?”

That is indeed the question, but I could never have good enough hair to sit with Paul and Jan.

The covenant system is weakened by Paul’s parenthetical treatment of Israel in Romans 9-11. Paul maintains a clear distinction between the believers of the current age and a future remnant of Israelites with a consistent “you/them” usage in the text.

As I have casually mentioned from time to time before, the idea that God is finished with ethnic Israelites is far from being an essential aspect in covenant theology.

Note, furthermore, Mr. Fisher, that the distinction Paul makes is not between Jews and Gentiles who are in Christ, but rather between Jews/Gentiles who are in Christ and Jews who as of yet are not.

Yes, Paul very very clearly prophesies future mercies upon ethnic Israel. But of what do those mercies consist? They will by faith be grafted back into the one tree from which they were broken and into which gentiles in Christ are presently grafted.

Also, while believers in the current age are participants in the New Covenant (1 Cor 11:25, 2 Cor 3:6),

Yes.

it is clear by a literal reading of Jeremiah 31:31-34 that we are not partaking of it in the same way as (as the text says) the house of Israel and the house of Judah....1. “house of Judah and house of Israel” are specifically called out.

Yes. The New Covenant is made first and foremost with the house of Judah and the house of Israel. However, I think it is very important to remember that Paul calls the entry of gentiles into God's covenant with Israel "the mystery of Christ that was not made known to the sons of men in other generations as it has now been revealed to his holy apostles and prophets by the spirit." (Eph 3:4-6) Therefore, we should not be surprised, I think, to find no explicit mention of that fact in the Old Testament, though certainly hints abounded everywhere.

“No more will any man teach his neighbor and every man his neighbor”

“They (Israel and Judah) shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest of them.”


I believe that these things will in fact happen to ethnic Israel once they are grafted back into their own covenant. And I don't think I need to use replacement principles to get there.

Again, it is not A (Israel) being replaced by B (the church); it is more a matter of A, (Israel) receiving members of group B, (the gentiles) while losing some members of A (Israel) who will one day be brought back into A (Israel). I don't know how else to understand the olive tree metaphor in Romans 11.

Chipotle? Yeah, I don't mind it; I'd just do anything to spend more time with Danny.

Brad said...

Mr. McGriff,

We'll still plan on being at Skyline at 11:30.

danny2 said...

will we see you at chipotle then, fish?

11am

Anonymous said...

i'll be at skyline at @11:30. i'll eat whatever is set before me, for conscience sake, especially if it's a vegetarian black bean burrito deluxe.

Brad said...

Mr. Fisher (don't know why I've been putting a "c" in your name) One more thing to consider.

I'm curious as to why you called Paul's treatment of Israel in Romans "parenthetical".

It seems to me that "what about Israel?" Is one of the primary themes in the book.

Brad said...

Duh, sorry McGriff, I misread the last part of your comment.

If you can make it at 11:00, head over to Chipotle. Someimte after that we'll head over to Skyline. Don't know why Danny insists upon making everything so complicated. He should be more flexible and sacrificial like Fisher.

Anonymous said...

I would call any of Paul's reference to Israel parenthetical because he was set apart as the Apostle to the Gentiles (I'm too lazy right now to list all the Bible references), which as a side note, makes it pretty important what you think about Matthias. There are only twelve gates in the city y'know. Maybe a game of musical chairs will figure it out.

Anonymous said...

Josh,

You and I have already discussed that and I told you the answer ;-)

Anonymous said...

maybe you should re-title your blog as 'looking for an argument'

Brad said...

Apparently, I don't have to go looking very far.

Anonymous said...

Going with the idea that there are multiple "versions of the story" triggered an observation in my mind. There are multiple versions of the story of Jesus. Four inspired ones to be exact. Which is the right one? Why is one so much different than the others? How do they fit together? What happens when they appear to disagree? Can we use our standard methods for addressing the "synoptic problem" as a guide to discussing comparative theology?

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